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#278979 - 05/13/08 12:58 PM Re: NPR news piece on kids with GID [Re: Hope_WA]
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Registered: 01/28/03
Loc: Seattle, WA
Personally, I don't believe it's bad to have transsexuals, homosexuals, and other non-breeding individuals in society. Everyone else thinks with their womb or penis and how they're going to produce offspring or get more resources to raise their offspring. Someone has to think the other important thoughts wink
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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
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#278983 - 05/13/08 01:18 PM Re: NPR news piece on kids with GID [Re: Roxanne]
Hope_WA Offline
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Registered: 08/14/07
Loc: Eastern Washington state, U.S....
I think you're reading me incorrectly. I will admit to suffering from a bad case of N.I.M.B.Y., but I think the world is a better place with as much diversity as posssible, and as broad a range of human experience as possible. It's a bit like the tragedy of the commons. I want a diverse world, I just don't want my children to suffer from prejudice.

You must have seen the Seinfeld episode "The Abstinence"
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His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"
Jesus answered, "Neither he nor his parents sinned; it is so that the works of God might be made visible through him. "
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#279051 - 05/13/08 06:10 PM Re: NPR news piece on kids with GID [Re: Roxanne]
Joan Offline
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Registered: 09/20/03
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Personally, I don't believe it's bad to have transsexuals, homosexuals, and other non-breeding individuals in society. Everyone else thinks with their womb or penis and how they're going to produce offspring or get more resources to raise their offspring. Someone has to think the other important thoughts


I am disturbed that some people go ahead and have children, even when they have no plan for obtaining the resources, to properly care for the children and to see that the child gets a good education.

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#279063 - 05/13/08 08:47 PM Re: NPR news piece on kids with GID [Re: Debra]
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Registered: 05/16/03
Loc: Northern California
Originally Posted By: Debra
Yes, it's a wonderful article. The author (unnamed) "gets it." And these articles are proliferating. 2007 was a banner year, with 2008 promising to be even better, even as we suffer occasional setbacks, like the naming of the new DSM V revision committee.

Please, pretty please everyone,

if you haven't sent a paper letter to the APA asking they they call for the resignation of Zucker and Blanchard, please do it today, don't put it off any longer. You may save a child's life.
If you can make the letter polite, respectful and yet persuasive then so much the better.
The mailing address is:-
President's Office
American Psychiatric Association
1000 Wilson Boulevard, Suite 1825
Arlington, VA 22209
USA

Dear President, etc. ...
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#279066 - 05/13/08 09:48 PM Re: NPR news piece on kids with GID [Re: Joan]
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Registered: 10/29/06
Loc: SF Bay Area, CA
Originally Posted By: Joan
I am disturbed that some people go ahead and have children, even when they have no plan for obtaining the resources, to properly care for the children and to see that the child gets a good education.
I go as far as to say that bringing children into this world is a bigger life-changing task than transition, similarily never ending. No education, evaluation, waiting time, nor therapy are required. And who would set the standards for that?

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#279087 - 05/14/08 07:07 AM Re: NPR news piece on kids with GID [Re: Joan]
Natalie Offline
Supreme Oracle

Registered: 01/14/04
Loc: England

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I am disturbed that some people go ahead and have children, even when they have no plan for obtaining the resources, to properly care for the children and to see that the child gets a good education. [/quote]

Do you have children joan ?

do you think all children are or should be planned ?

As i find what you have said here very disturbing
no one really plans a child and no-one can plan ahead whats in store for them whatsoever the future is unwritten and each child is different i know that fromn having 3 myself now aged 20.18, and 14 did i plan my children ? did i fuck
did i have the resources financially to support em ? did i heck but i managed

as for education you can only push your kids so far academically you have to let them do what they want to at some stage as its there life ...and you seen the pressure some kids are under these days from there parents ? yeah they are the ones who worry themselves sick b4 an exam and sometimes commit suicide as they cant handle the parental pressure to do well

my kids ? well gemma aged 20 is well educated has 12 gcse and is a fully qualified child carer and has a 20 month old son ...who wasnt planned ..... But is well looked after


Zara 18

is a qualified hairdresser and beauty therapist didnt do well at school as she was badly bullied to the verge of suicide by other girls who were jealous of her coz she is very very pretty

Matthew 14

has aspergers is still at school and is doing brilliant his grades are way above the average on everything

My kids were not planned .... done a bad job havent i ?
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#279090 - 05/14/08 09:00 AM Re: NPR news piece on kids with GID [Re: Joan]
Deena Offline
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Registered: 05/11/06
Originally Posted By: Joan

I am disturbed that some people go ahead and have children, even when they have no plan for obtaining the resources, to properly care for the children and to see that the child gets a good education.

Wow you must be mega depressed because that accounts for about 99.3% of the births worldwide. And most of those parents are also not sure if they will have enough to eat themselves next week either. grin
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#279094 - 05/14/08 09:38 AM Re: NPR news piece on kids with GID [Re: Deena]
Hope_WA Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 08/14/07
Loc: Eastern Washington state, U.S....
I'm truly hoping that what Joan meant was that so many people are irresponsible parents. Not all children are planned, and in some respects, almost no children are really planned for. I personally was an accident, and amazingly enough, my parents are still married 29+++ years later. Just like Natalie, event thought they didn't have a plan, they did the best they could, and my sister and I turned out o.k. I have three kids myself, and we try to hae a plan, but most of the time you're just flying by the seat of your pants.

Maybe Joan was referencing this quote from the movie "Parenthood"

Todd Higgins(Keanu Reeeves):"You know, Mrs. Buckman, you need a license to buy a dog, to drive a car - hell, you even need a license to catch a fish. But they'll let any butt-reaming asshole be a father."
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"The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation." Henry David Thoreau

His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"
Jesus answered, "Neither he nor his parents sinned; it is so that the works of God might be made visible through him. "
John 9:2-3

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#279184 - 05/14/08 11:18 PM Re: NPR news piece on kids with GID [Re: Hope_WA]
Joan Offline
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Registered: 09/20/03
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I'm truly hoping that what Joan meant was that so many people are irresponsible parents.


That does seem to be a better way to say it. I have seen people be irresponsible about marriage and children. Some of the worst offenders have been men.

I have seen cases, where some men were so eager to get a girl to have sex with them. Then, when the girl finds herself pregnant, the man will make for parts unknown. They are simply not mature enough to take responsibility for the child.

I believe this kind of behavior is a threat to the welfare of the children. Transgender or gay parents are a threat, because they truly want the children they adopt.

I will admit that I never was able to have children, and because of financial struggles I had a reluctance to adopt. However, I do have a soft spot for children, feeling very protective.

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#279192 - 05/15/08 03:18 AM Re: NPR news piece on kids with GID [Re: Joan]
Natalie Offline
Supreme Oracle

Registered: 01/14/04
Loc: England
then you who should not really make such an absurd statement joan

You dont have kids never been in the position to have kids and do not know what you are talking about

I find what you have said offensive to me
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