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#280965 - 05/29/08 11:00 AM Re: Transsexualism far more common than believed [Re: Deena]
Christianne Offline
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Registered: 12/04/07
Loc: Columbia, MO
1 in 2000 for MtFs sounds about right to me. The town where I live has 3800 people. In addition to myself, there is at least one other transsexual woman here (that I know of), and she's a member of the City Council!

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#280969 - 05/29/08 11:20 AM Re: Transsexualism far more common than believed [Re: Christianne]
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Registered: 01/28/03
Loc: Seattle, WA
Also, the 1 in 2000 number may be for TS women who've actually been able to go as far as full transition or surgery. I suspect a fair number simply do not transition due to lifes woes (money, religious background, family inflicted reparative therapy)
And far too many are lost to suicide before they are able to express their true gender.

I'd put the number at more like 1 in 500 to 1 in 200. With general gender variance (including crossdressers, etc) much higher.
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#280976 - 05/29/08 11:53 AM Re: Transsexualism far more common than believed [Re: Deena]
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Registered: 08/14/07
Loc: Eastern Washington state, U.S....
Originally Posted By: Deena
Well that ratio stinks (a possible 3 in 12 million).

I didn't say 3 in 12 to 15 million. Reread the post. I said 2 former competitors, not spectators. There haven't been close to 12 million riders, there have been just over 10,000 total competitors and just over 6,000 have completed the tour since in it's 108 year history. The third person i mentioned is a mountain biker, not a road racing cyclist.
Originally Posted By: Deena
The tour de France has an unfair advantage because the cyclist do not perform in a stadium or on a track but they cycle past a population of about 60 million people and foreign visitors add to that number. You are comparing pigskin to grapes. wink

That's why I included the Indy 500 info.
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#280977 - 05/29/08 11:57 AM Re: Transsexualism far more common than believed [Re: Diana_Lynn]
Kristina Roivas Offline
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Registered: 09/05/07
Loc: Vancouver Canada
I guess there are more of us then I thought. When you think of all of the GRS/SRS surgeons worldwide, All of the people who have had GRS/SRS since it became available. And all of our people lost due to (suicide) Throw in all of our "close cousins who are not quite but almost transsexual" Other types of Gender variant folks.

There is a lot of people.
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#280987 - 05/29/08 12:23 PM Re: Transsexualism far more common than believed [Re: Kristina Roivas]
Roxanne Administrator Offline


Registered: 01/28/03
Loc: Seattle, WA
You start counting our friends and family, and we start to look like a significant voting block.
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I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
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#281064 - 05/29/08 08:50 PM Re: Transsexualism far more common than believed [Re: Diana_Lynn]
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Registered: 10/29/06
Loc: SF Bay Area, CA
I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers turn out to be as prevalent as intersex conditions. If any of those gender researchers would stop quoting ancient data to each other, and do some real research. But none of that will happen if they continue to make participation dependent on gate-keeping, or fitting their theory.

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#284127 - 06/23/08 08:57 PM Re: Transsexualism far more common than believed [Re: sandyx]
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Registered: 11/06/03
Loc: L.A.
Originally Posted By: sandyx
I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers turn out to be as prevalent as intersex conditions.

We're actually more numerous than IS people - by an order of magnitude (ten-times.) Intersex is commonly cited as 1:2,000. That's also Femke and Lynn's prevalence number for us considering only the number of surgeries. But as Rox explains, the true number of ts people is a multiple - another order of magnitude perhaps - of the number who've already had srs.
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