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#284973 - 07/02/08 11:22 AM Man has Natural Sex Change
Zoe Offline


Registered: 07/10/05
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From the UK Telegraph :

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A man with high levels of the female hormone oestrogen is naturally turning into a woman, but doctors say the process is irreversible.

Terry Wright, 60, started losing his hair and beard ten years ago.

Since then, the father of five has developed smooth skin, hot flushes and breasts.
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Blood tests have revealed that Mr Wright has abnormally high levels of the female hormone oestrogen. But doctors who have examined him say they have never seen such a case – and do not know what to do to reverse the process.

Some testicular cancers can produce high levels of oestrogen and drugs that used to treat prostate cancer can have similar effects. However, doctors say this in not true in this case.

An MRI scan has ruled out the oestrogen surge being caused by a tumour and a psychiatrist has judged him mentally sound.
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Professor Richard Ross, a hormones specialist and the head of Endocrinology at The University of Sheffield said: "This case seems very unusual."

Mr Wright added: "Doctors call me an 'interesting case' and 'unique' but I just want to go back to being a proper man."


Sounds like a Type II, the most common variety. All other cases of "Idiopathic Partial Sex Reversal" (that's not the official name, it doesn't have one yet) have had female gender identities. There's only been just over a dozen recorded, including my own. (Type III - the quick one)

This guy has just acquired instant FtoM transsexuality. frown

Not Good. Very Not Good.
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#284993 - 07/02/08 04:56 PM Re: Man has Natural Sex Change [Re: Zoe]
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I saw before and after pics of this man on the news. What a scam.

This person has willingly changed their hair style and eyebrows and is wearing lipstip in the picture.

They also claimed in the news story that I read that they have lost their facial hair. HA! Tell that to all the TS's that have spent thousands of har earned dollars on hair removal.

Seems to me that this person was either self medicating or even getting hormones through another source and has now decided to reverse their transition. The news story I read said that the doctors were "baffled". Any doctor who is baffled by this should turn in their medical license and become a tabloid reporter instead.

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#285000 - 07/02/08 06:30 PM Re: Man has Natural Sex Change [Re: Zoe]
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Originally Posted By: Zoe

Sounds like a Type II, the most common variety. All other cases of "Idiopathic Partial Sex Reversal" (that's not the official name, it doesn't have one yet) have had female gender identities. There's only been just over a dozen recorded, including my own. (Type III - the quick one)

This guy has just acquired instant FtoM transsexuality. frown

Not Good. Very Not Good.


Umm, i have a feeling that "idiopathic partial sex reversal" will never have an official name, because it's generally more like ageing, or general diversity between the sexes that accounts for what is seen as "cross gendered" "feminine" or "masculine" stereotypes.


Edited by Shasta (07/02/08 06:33 PM)

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#285007 - 07/02/08 10:22 PM Re: Man has Natural Sex Change [Re: Zoe]
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I am certain, based on my reading in the biological sciences, that among all the genes in the human genome, some of them are identical with genes from amphibians.

Of course, they generally do not act in the same manner as they do in amphibians. There are other genetic material that affects the timing of the gene action.

Amphibians are known for having sex reversals in response to altered conditions (a fictional version of this is in Jurassic Park by Michael Crichton).

It is entirely possible for the same phenomenom to occur in humans. However, I do believe it is a rare phenomenom in human adults.

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#285009 - 07/02/08 11:08 PM Re: Man has Natural Sex Change [Re: Casey]
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Originally Posted By: Casey
Seems to me that this person was either self medicating or even getting hormones through another source and has now decided to reverse their transition. The news story I read said that the doctors were "baffled". Any doctor who is baffled by this should turn in their medical license and become a tabloid reporter instead.

Given that he's under the care of Professor Ross of Sheffield University, I think you're probably wrong.

But then, the same kind of thing happened to me in 2005, and I faced the same degree of scepticism, and even hostility, here at Callie's. Elsewhere too. Others who have had it have had the same experience.

The people who have FtoM natural transitions due to 5ARD or 17BHDD don't face nearly the same problems. They're far more common, maybe 1 in 70,000 in the USA. So their conditions have been well studied. Almost 5000 in the USA alone vs less than 20 worldwide for us.

From "Gender change in 46,XY persons with 5alpha-reductase-2 deficiency and 17beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase-3 deficiency". by Cohen-Ketternis:
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Gender role changes were reported in 56-63% of cases with 5alpha-RD-2 and 39-64% of cases with 17beta-HSD-3 who were raised as girls. The changes were usually made in adolescence and early adulthood.

Weirder stuff happens than most people are aware of.
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#285018 - 07/03/08 05:59 AM Re: Man has Natural Sex Change [Re: Zoe]
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Originally Posted By: Zoe
I faced the same degree of scepticism

Well I can tell you that the pictures you posted and the time frames you attached to them never seemed valid to me. Maybe I was wrong but hair doesn't grow as quickly as those time lines portrayed in my opinion.

Whatever each of us is or has ever been isn't really the point though. I think skepticism is healthy and doesn't necessarily conflict with acceptance. To me its simply a matter of love others as yourself. Strive to also know thyself and encourage others to do the same. dontoveruseme
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#285022 - 07/03/08 06:11 AM Re: Man has Natural Sex Change [Re: Casey]
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Originally Posted By: Casey
I saw before and after pics of this man on the news. What a scam.

This person has willingly changed their hair style and eyebrows and is wearing lipstip in the picture.

They also claimed in the news story that I read that they have lost their facial hair. HA! Tell that to all the TS's that have spent thousands of har earned dollars on hair removal.

Seems to me that this person was either self medicating or even getting hormones through another source and has now decided to reverse their transition. The news story I read said that the doctors were "baffled". Any doctor who is baffled by this should turn in their medical license and become a tabloid reporter instead.


I would not be surprised if the reporters made him up just for the interview. But yeah, the first thing that came to my mind was that he was taking hormones and lying about it.
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#285023 - 07/03/08 06:12 AM Re: Man has Natural Sex Change [Re: Glinda]
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Also, baldness in men has been linked to high amounts of estrogen in men. But baldness on the face? Seems unlikely.
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#285036 - 07/03/08 11:07 AM Re: Man has Natural Sex Change [Re: Glinda]
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#285041 - 07/03/08 11:58 AM Re: Man has Natural Sex Change [Re: Glinda]
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I always hate it when mysterious ailments make me tweeze my eyebrows...
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