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#285233 - 07/06/08 08:34 AM Re: Police officer brutally beats a transsexual wo [Re: Tess_au]
Marcella Offline
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Registered: 03/31/03
Loc: Barn
Ah, but that's the gist of the issue!

In your mind, the victim in Ana's post was a gay man.

In the mind of other members, the victim was a TS woman.

Now, since posts are made on a subjective basis, it's enough for a person to think X belongs here and for the mods to agree for a post to belong here.

You may disagree, even the majority may disagree. But that doesn't change anything, since this is not a democracy but a private forum.
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#285235 - 07/06/08 09:26 AM Re: Police officer brutally beats a transsexual wo [Re: Marcella]
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Registered: 05/04/07
A man walks into a bar sees a beautiful woman .. offers her one million dollars for a night with her. She say's sure for a million dollars.

He then says Ok how about 2 dollars?

She is outraged why Hell no you old goat what do you think I am ?

Darlin He says We have already established that FACT ! Now we are merely establishing a PRICE.
laugh

And No need to justify what you do to make a living for what ever
excuse you want to come up with. If it makes you happy and ya parents proud of you then more power to you.

You want an apology ?? so ya post something on anti homophobia in aussie football forum ? not exactly clear how that removes the fact you think a 16 yr old child who thrown out on there ass by the loveing parents and let run the street to fend for themself and survived by doing your chosen proffession ... with the same dna markers as you Just not the same suport of the local gov progams to pay for hrt or srs or anything feckin thing. You get the high and mighty snooty to declare them GAY and unfit for this forum. When DARLIN you are no different than Ebony.

A Apology HAha FOR WHAT ? THE FACTS THE TRUTH NOT GONA HAPPEN SISTA

Facts are they were transgendred by the fact of being killed in obviously chosen role of presentation as a woman. Fact a teenager alone in a all to common place of big cities an Economic segregated area. An murdered because of those factors.

And notion because SHE didnt say oh yea I GOT A PENIS gives anyone the right to kill them. The panic defense Like so many others killed I find that mindset amongst those who are like Ebony that her murder was some how understandable because she didnt tell someone I AM A DUDE DUDE


You said this
"Should a cross dresser work in the GG area and trick a client then, my goodness what would you expect would happen when the Client found out in the middle of the act?"

JUST^ A BIT OUT FECKIN RAGEOUS.

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#285237 - 07/06/08 09:38 AM Re: Police officer brutally beats a transsexual wo [Re: Ana_Okie]
Natalie Offline
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Registered: 01/14/04
Loc: England
what if the transsexual woman had brutally beaten the police officer ?

would you then say the same things ...think about it

role reversal is not uncommon LOL
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#285241 - 07/06/08 10:15 AM Re: Police officer brutally beats a transsexual wo [Re: Natalie]
Karen S Offline
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Registered: 06/28/04
Loc: Metro Detroit...
Perhaps...nobody should be beating anyone?

Just a thought. wink
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#285243 - 07/06/08 10:47 AM Re: Police officer brutally beats a transsexual wo [Re: Karen S]
Kristina Roivas Offline
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Registered: 09/05/07
Loc: Vancouver Canada
The world just does not work that way.
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#285245 - 07/06/08 11:07 AM Re: Police officer brutally beats a transsexual wo [Re: Kristina Roivas]
Glinda Offline


Registered: 02/06/07
Loc: Oz
I'm sure if the media interviewed my parents and most other family, they would still refer to me by male pronouns even today, 12 years post srs.

I have a friend who was a pre-op sex worker and advertised as a "shemale" in the paper. One of her customers still freaked out. Some people are just stupid. Some are stupid and violent.

I think it unlikely that Ebony was holding herself out to be a GG. "Shemale" sex workers make a lot more money. And why take such a risk?

So my vote is that the story belongs here. This type of violence is directed at all of us. And I expect most here agree. Do we need a poll over something so obvious?
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#285249 - 07/06/08 12:22 PM Re: Police officer brutally beats a transsexual wo [Re: Glinda]
Marcella Offline
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Registered: 03/31/03
Loc: Barn
Fact: many, perhaps even most TS women think all other TS women are men in drag. Sad, but true. The most polite ones will only confide in you such belief in private. The most vociferous ones will say it as loud as possible.

Fact: many TS women have been through hell and back, so they have become very tough folks. No matter if they chose the road of "pretend malehood" and acted like thugs, or if they had to survive being "obviously queer": you don't get out of that "normal," like it or not.

Fact: a sign of PTSD is not caring about people. Why? Because after getting kicked enough times and seeing others kicked too, you have to stop caring. For the sake of your own survival, you cannot care about every little horror befalling you or other people.

The big problem, though, is that after surviving enough BS you get used to surviving. And that influences the way people you meet (even after transition) treat you. It's a vicious circle. And many of us have problems breaking it.
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#285252 - 07/06/08 01:17 PM Re: Police officer brutally beats a transsexual wo [Re: Marcella]
Ana_Okie Offline
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Registered: 05/04/07
well said MOO sage pasture philosophy laugh

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#285253 - 07/06/08 01:18 PM Re: Police officer brutally beats a transsexual wo [Re: Marcella]
Lsh Offline


Registered: 10/29/05
Originally Posted By: Marcella
Ah, but that's the gist of the issue!

In your mind, the victim in Ana's post was a gay man.

In the mind of other members, the victim was a TS woman.

Actually, it doesn't make any difference what gender any of us think she was, or even what she considers herself to be.

What matters is how she was perceived at the time, a factor that none of us have any control over. Regardless of how anyone chooses to classify her, she was subjected to police brutality fueled by transphobic bigotry. That is the real gist of the issue.
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#285255 - 07/06/08 01:24 PM Re: Police officer brutally beats a transsexual wo [Re: Lsh]
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Registered: 02/06/07
Loc: Oz
LSh, there are two victims under discussion. One is Duanna Johnson, who was beaten by the cops. The other is Emma, who was found naked and murdered by gunshot on a lawn next to a day care. Both alleged prostitues in Memphis. It is Emma who was accused of being a gay man, not Duanna.
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