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#286237 - 07/16/08 08:00 PM Obama campaign unclear on gays/faith-based funds
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http://www.gaypeopleschronicle.com/stories08/july/0718084.htm

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July 18, 2008

Obama campaign is
unclear on gays and
faith-based funds




by Eric Resnick

Zanesville, Ohio--Faith-based social services have a mixed record when it comes to meeting the needs of LGBT adults and youth.

Groups that serve people with HIV and AIDS are pleased that government money and services can flow through faith-based organizations, in addition to more traditional routes.

But people concerned with civil rights have a different view. Most notably, they see that faith-based service providers have discriminated by sexual orientation and gender identity, both in service and employment. This has increased under the Bush administration.

On July 1 in Zanesville, likely Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama announced his intent to expand faith-based services. Most observers see the proposal as a political maneuver to gain support from religious conservatives.

Obama said the Bush administration “never fulfilled its promise” to deliver more services through churches because “social services to the poor and the needy have been consistently under-funded.”

“I’ll establish a new Council for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships,” Obama said.

“The new name will reflect a new commitment. This council will not just be another name on the White House organization chart--it will be a critical part of my administration.”

Obama also wants to use federal funds to train group leaders to be better grant writers so they can get more money.

“Now, make no mistake, as someone who used to teach constitutional law, I believe deeply in the separation of church and state, but I don’t believe this partnership will endanger that idea--so long as we follow a few basic principles,” Obama said.

“First, if you get a federal grant, you can’t use that grant money to proselytize to the people you help and you can’t discriminate against them, or against the people you hire, on the basis of their religion,” Obama declared.

That has always been the law with faith-based groups that get federal money to provide services, and it has not always worked. The programs are also forbidden to discriminate in services--and employment--under the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Federal law doesn’t include gays

But the 1964 law doesn’t include discrimination by sexual orientation or gender identity. It covers race, color, religion, sex or national origin.

Without being included in the law, federal courts have regularly tossed out LGBT discrimination complaints, no matter how serious. Faith-based groups can get federal money while keeping LGBT people out of their programs, and refuse to hire them.

Federal money has also been taken away from gay and lesbian groups to be given to churches, especially under Bush administration rules.

Gay and Lesbian Adolescent Social Services of Los Angeles ran a federally-funded program to give computer and job training to incarcerated youth. After three years of meeting their goals, the money was abruptly redirected to a church with no mandate to serve or hire LGBT people. GLASS is now struggling to keep up its other services and may be forced to close its group homes.

The Obama campaign put out a fact sheet on their proposal which says recipients of federal money “Must comply with federal anti discrimination laws, including Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964,” and “Religious organizations that receive federal dollars cannot discriminate with respect to hiring for government-funded social service programs.”

The campaign also said in a written statement that Obama “appreciates that the LGBT community has concerns about ensuring access to critical social services.”

However, the campaign stops short of saying how that would happen under the present law. When pressed, they answer that “Senator Obama has been working to pass a fully-inclusive Employment Non-Discrimination Act, so that employment discrimination on the bases of sexual orientation or gender identity is not permitted. He will continue to fight for ENDA’s passage as president.”

By press time--14 days after their announcement--the campaign has not answered questions about what happens if ENDA doesn’t pass, or it doesn’t pass for years into his presidency, or it passes without including protection for gender identity and expression.

Will comply with state, local LGBT laws

The day of Obama’s Zanesville appearance, at the campaign’s request, the Gay People’s Chronicle submitted 11 written questions on how the proposed program would affect LGBT Americans.

The campaign answered them with a “summary of our position.”

“Let’s be clear,” the summary says. “Obama’s position on religious hiring rights is a return to the state of the law before the Bush administration took office and muddied the waters with various executive orders. There are of course difficult questions that will have to be worked out, but his position on the basic principle is clear.”

The summary, however, makes Obama’s position more unclear.

It says that “federal funding recipients--including faith-based organizations--should have to comply with existing federal, state and local laws, including laws prohibiting discrimination based on religion, sexual orientation, or gender identity.”

“To the extent that existing federal, state and local laws prohibit such discrimination in particular government-funded programs, the President Councils will help faith-based organizations comply with those laws,” it says.

In response to requests for additional clarification--especially to recognize that present federal law doesn’t protect LGBT people at all--the campaign restated its previous positions.

“[Obama’s] new President’s Council will be open to all perspectives and voices on these issues (including the LGBT community’s) and will be specifically tasked with empowering grassroots community and faith-based groups that follow these principles and provide critical services to those in need,” the campaign wrote.

Dave Noble, Obama’s director of the LGBT vote, answered one of the Chronicle’s July 1 questions in a response to the LGBT blog Pam’s House Blend.

Blogger Pam Spaulding reported July 11 that Noble confirmed to her that “under no circumstances will funds from the program will be granted to FBOs for proselytizing or reparative therapy.”

“Reparative therapy” means attempts to convert gays and lesbians to heterosexual, a discredited practice promoted by some religious groups.

The campaign also suggested that faith-based programs could deal with homeless youth.

According to the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, roughly 40% of homeless youth identify as LGBT. Twenty-six percent of these young people say they were thrown out of their homes after coming out and they see belittlement, ridicule and abuse at shelters, often run by faith-based organizations.

Two of the Chronicle’s questions dealt specifically with LGBT cultural competency of the faith-based programs getting federal money.

The campaign has offered no summary or position in return.


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#286239 - 07/16/08 08:03 PM Re: Obama campaign unclear on gays/faith-based funds [Re: Diana_Lynn]
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#286250 - 07/16/08 09:44 PM Re: Obama campaign unclear on gays/faith-based funds [Re: Diana_Lynn]
Vannagirl Offline


Registered: 02/21/07
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How bout starting a LGBT religious organization?

Positives-

Qualify for federal funding

Be protected under federal law against discrimination based on religious beliefs.Maybe make being LGBT a religious belief?Weave it into the christian thing somehow.Like-"The LGBT Christians"or whatever...just a thought grin
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#286251 - 07/16/08 09:57 PM Re: Obama campaign unclear on gays/faith-based funds [Re: Diana_Lynn]
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Registered: 02/06/03
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
In the 1972 campaign, Nixon (and Humphrey before him) managed to paint McGoven as the "Three A's (Acid, Amensty and Abortion)" candidate, which put him constantly on the defensive, so when Eagleton betrayed him (and the whole country) by not revealing the monster skeleton in his closet until after McGovern announced him as a VP, it didn't take much more to hand the election to the pro-war President. I am glad that Obama is making all of the necessary noises required for any national politician to get elected in this era of sound bites and spin doctors. I will not hold him up to some ridiculous standard that could hand the WH to John "Yee-Haw" McCain.

BTW, I'm very encouraged by this: "Dave Noble, Obama’s director of the LGBT vote ... confirmed to [Pam Spaulding] that 'under no circumstances will funds from the program will be granted to FBOs for proselytizing or reparative therapy.'" McCain is so desperate for the Religious Wrong's vote, he'd toss that bone to them without question.

P.S. Upon further reflection, my guess is that Obama is trying to nullify those "evangenicals" who'd otherwise hold their noses and come out for McCain. Johnny-boy is already up to his ears in deep shit with his trophy wife, Cindy, 18 years his jujior and heir to a liquor fortune, (and for whom he left his overweight, disabled wife in the 70s), whose fortune bankrolled his entry into the Senate. With regard to gay marriage initiatives getting neocons to the polls, the only major states I know of that would decide the election are California and Florida. CA is a blue state where Obama is already heavily favored (and which doesn't have a huge organized Fundie presence) and in Florida, that initiative might get the voters out but may not get them to vote for McCain, who voted against DOMA and who doesn't not support a constitutional amendment.


Edited by glamazon (07/17/08 02:15 AM)
Edit Reason: afterthought
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#286271 - 07/17/08 09:22 AM Re: Obama campaign unclear on gays/faith-based funds [Re: Vannagirl]
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Registered: 08/14/07
Loc: Eastern Washington state, U.S....
Obama is the first Democratic candidate to actively court votes from the "Religious Right" specifically, and Christians in general, in decades. His position and tactics have been fairly consistent throughout the campaign. He is working to reframe the context in which each party is seen. The Republicans have painted themselves as the defenders of morality, protecting America from the baby-killing, Godless moral-relativists in the Democratic Party that are leading America to Hell in a handbasket. Obama seems to be shifting the debate, and reframing the argument. He, and by extension the Democratic Party, are the ones truly doing the work that Christians are supposed to be doing, taking care of the sick, the elderly, the less fortunate among us, treating everyone as an equal in the eyes of the government, just as they are equals in the eyes of God (after all, in Christian theology, everyone was a sinner except Christ). The Republicans then become the Godless, uncaring war-mongers who worship corporations and the almighty dollar, and the love of money is the root of all evil.

Obviously, Obama or his campaign can't come right out and say that, but they seem to be working towards shifting people's mindset that way.

I've been very critical of Obama, but he is still the person I'll be voting for. I think his decision to court the "Religious Right" is brilliant. I'm also encouraged by this statement from the same article:

"When pressed, they answer that “Senator Obama has been working to pass a fully-inclusive Employment Non-Discrimination Act, so that employment discrimination on the bases of sexual orientation or gender identity is not permitted. He will continue to fight for ENDA’s passage as president.”

Originally Posted By: Vannagirl
How bout starting a LGBT religious organization?
Positives-
Qualify for federal funding
Be protected under federal law against discrimination based on religious beliefs. Maybe make being LGBT a religious belief? Weave it into the christian thing somehow. Like-"The LGBT Christians"or whatever...just a thought grin

I'm all for it. If you need a pastor, I'm the woman for the job.
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#286276 - 07/17/08 09:42 AM Re: Obama campaign unclear on gays/faith-based funds [Re: Hope_WA]
Marcella Offline
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Registered: 03/31/03
Loc: Barn
Well, right now Obama is getting flak from the right for "supporting transsexuals." And all he's done is meeting a TS woman at some point in his campaign, having one in his staff (although chances are he didn't know about it personally) and now supporting a full ENDA.

http://massresistance.blogspot.com/2008/03/obama-fully-supports-transgender-rights.html

In fact, there seems to be an e-mail around attributing to Obama what Eddy Murphy used to do: going out there and picking up "shemales" from the street. And it's even being used to distribute a trojan:

http://blog.trendmicro.com/obama-admits-affairs-according-to-spam/
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#286279 - 07/17/08 09:52 AM Re: Obama campaign unclear on gays/faith-based funds [Re: Marcella]
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In case no one is familiar with this story. Back in June 2007 four people were drawn to go to dinner with Sen. Obama. One of them was a transwoman. The Obama Campaign were ok with it but she asked to be withdrawn because she feared it'd cause a backlash against Obama's campaign.

The Obama Campaign however insisted that she was welcome and that if she felt she couldn't at that time, she could always meet Sen. Obama in the future.

The details here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/24/74356/0960

I wonder what sort of political gain was the Obama camp expecting to obtain from it. I refuse to believe a "non" politician cares about us. It just doesn't compute. They were just trying to pass him as a "compassionate" type, probably.
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#286309 - 07/17/08 01:11 PM Re: Obama campaign unclear on gays/faith-based fun [Re: Marcella]
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Registered: 05/11/06
Originally Posted By: Marcella
In case no one is familiar with this story. Back in June 2007 four people were drawn to go to dinner with Sen. Obama. One of them was a transwoman. The Obama Campaign were ok with it but she asked to be withdrawn because she feared it'd cause a backlash against Obama's campaign.

The Obama Campaign however insisted that she was welcome and that if she felt she couldn't at that time, she could always meet Sen. Obama in the future.

The details here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/24/74356/0960

I wonder what sort of political gain was the Obama camp expecting to obtain from it. I refuse to believe a "non" politician cares about us. It just doesn't compute. They were just trying to pass him as a "compassionate" type, probably.

Obama is too religious for my tastes. I'd rather have someone who is ex military and know how to behave when captured. wink
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#286312 - 07/17/08 01:39 PM Re: Obama campaign unclear on gays/faith-based fun [Re: Deena]
Marcella Offline
Anarcho-Nihilist Cow

Registered: 03/31/03
Loc: Barn
Not much difference one way or the other, Deena. Either way, you're in trouble down there.

Hey, you could use your experience in the slammer 'resisting interrogation' and being a general pain in the neck and run for mayor.
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#286334 - 07/17/08 07:23 PM Re: Obama campaign unclear on gays/faith-based fun [Re: Marcella]
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Registered: 05/11/06
Originally Posted By: Marcella
Not much difference one way or the other, Deena. Either way, you're in trouble down there.

Hey, you could use your experience in the slammer 'resisting interrogation' and being a general pain in the neck and run for mayor.

Oh M you would be so much more accomplished at that than I would. wink
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