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#290019 - 08/16/08 04:01 PM Re: Not picking on the U.K., but... [Re: Marcella]
Melanie Offline
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Registered: 05/08/08
Perhaps a better subject title might have been "No country is truly safe."

Seldom is a gun your first available instrument of defence and it is unlikely that this poor sole would have had a chance to use it. I personally perfer the Natalie School of Self-Defence as my first line of defence,a solid right cross. Your own body is your 1st line of defence and will allow you the extra time to grab a weapon,not necessarily a gun. It is far more difficult to shoot another human being than one thinks. Take some self defence classes, learn some basic skills that can and will incapacitate your attacker.
Prior to transition a biker type and his bitch thought they were going to take my scooter while we were in a hyway rest area. Not sure how he was able to ride with a broken right fore arm.Least you think I am a burly biker myself, I was at the time 127/132 lbs. and my spouse 100lbs. on a heavy day for her. The victim at least 200.
We are gun owners and I am in posession of fed.concealed weapons permit and I do carry as a back up but have never had to bring it out.
Your best home defence weapon btw is not a hand gun but a shotgun and 911.
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#290025 - 08/16/08 04:43 PM Re: Not picking on the U.K., but... [Re: Melanie]
Deena Offline
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Registered: 05/11/06
I have no interest in discussing guns. Joan brought it up and things seemed to sort of take off from there. I just read the article and if you will notice the end of the article here we clearly have a case of a foreigner getting somehow accused of a 3 day old murder. He claims he didn't even know she was a pre-op. I guess they had no conclusive evidence because it appears they released him. It's always those non-Brits who somehow end up in the worst news.
Originally Posted By: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7561957.stm
Prosecutor Sally O'Neill told the court that Mr Hyatt stole Ms Telesford's mobile phone and electronic equipment as well as her Oyster card.

'Cheap thief'

Defending, Joanna Greenberg said Mr Hyatt was a "cheap and nasty thief" but that Ms Telesford was "fit and well" when he left her flat.

She suggested that Ms Telesford may have died during a consensual sex game which went wrong, or that she may have inflicted her fatal injuries herself.

Mr Hyatt said he only realised Ms Telesford was born a man shortly before police interviewed him.

Ms Greenberg said there were no signs that Ms Telesford fought Mr Hyatt, even though she had "a man's strength".

Mr Hyatt was remanded in custody on separate immigration matters.
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#290037 - 08/16/08 05:20 PM Re: Not picking on the U.K., but... [Re: Deena]
Melanie Offline
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Registered: 05/08/08
No conclusive evidence? Questions I have are: He was filmed on cctv,was anyone else filmed leaving her flat? Did she just let him leave with the electronic gear and cards mentioned. Was she on HRT,if so she did not have male strength as was stated. More often than not the legal system is not our friend unless you or your family have the $$$$$$$$ to fight.
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#290055 - 08/16/08 07:21 PM Re: Not picking on the U.K., but... [Re: Melanie]
Deena Offline
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Registered: 05/11/06
Good questions. I didn't write the article. I just read it. Sounds like somebody dropped the ball if he was released and they don't say what the immigration issues are either. Heck, they don't even say how long he has been in the country. shrug
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#290111 - 08/17/08 05:13 AM Re: Not picking on the U.K., but... [Re: Deena]
Cassie Offline

Hopeful Romantic

Registered: 01/12/08
Having a gun is bad, very bad, unless you're planning on and are able to use it to kill at the first available opportunity when you pull it out or it is otherwise discovered.

I had a carry permit (and curiously didn't have a gun) for a few years, and the chief of police in the city where I got the permit told me if I ever have cause to pull the gun I had damn will better use it and kill whoever I point it at, or I'll end up in jail for years.

The one time in my life that I felt unsafe enough to make it worth having a gun and I did carry I didn't have a permit (a cute little .38 special, with neat shotgun like rounds in it so the bullets wouldn't kill someone in the next house over). I was prepared, if I ever had to brandish, to immediately use it to kill.

I'll also never own gun again. My politics have changed as I've grown up, and while I don't disagree with many of the NRA's lines (If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns, et. al.) I now think that most of the non-criminal gun nuts scare me more than the actual criminals. It's probably because I live in the liberal north east, but quite frankly I'm far less scared of a gun-toting high school dropout robbing a liquor store or gas station than I am of a gun-toting law-abiding redneck.

Anyway, on the topic of the murder, I have to say that I was thinking the same thing Melanie was: Did anyone (in particular the cctv) see her leave or anyone else enter the flat after he did? It was three days before she was discovered, right? So nothing happened for the three days? I assume that's why he was accused, because that no one did enter or leave, but I wonder why they didn't say that in the article (probably because it's too factual)

I have no idea if she was on HRT, but I'd be surprised if she was not. The whole "man's strength" thing is what the general public thinks of us, they don't understand, and it certainly makes it sound more sensational and makes the murderer sound more of a victim himself if she might have had the ability to fight back.
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#290279 - 08/18/08 06:31 AM Re: Not picking on the U.K., but... [Re: Cassie]
Storm Offline


Registered: 11/11/04
Loc: Earth
I know gg's stronger than most men and they wouldn't care if the press used such language in remarks to themselves - "mans strength"... Actually they would probably smile or laugh at the article and comment how feminine the reporters writing style is.

But the most important factor is, how women defend themselves... The majority in close combat will use their finger nails and claw to the face doing enough damage and shock to the attacker to escape or seek quickly more effective means of defense... Using the feet is a very effective means doing enough harm to the attacker even if it is a kick to the ankle...

Unless your a trained martial artist, forget using fist and the crap seen on tv... Not knowing how to strike someone could cause you to break your bones while trying to do that american macho cowboy movie crap... Those are stunt doubles with years of training to NOT look fake!
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