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#289786 - 08/15/08 09:26 AM Not picking on the U.K., but...
Hope_WA Offline
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Registered: 08/14/07
Loc: Eastern Washington state, U.S....
...here is a news story from England:
Man cleared of transsexual murder
A teenager has been cleared of killing a transsexual woman found strangled in her south London home.

Shanniel Hyatt, 18, denied that he killed Kellie Telesford in a rage after discovering she was a pre-operative transgender female who was born a man.

Her body was found after they engaged in sexual activity at her Thornton Heath flat, the Old Bailey heard.

Mr Hyatt, from Norbury, south London, was found not guilty of murder and an alternative count of manslaughter...



It appears that killing one of us is no big deal anywhere in the world. I guess I'll start wearing one of these:


At least it will help me pass better.

Add in a little sexy armor:

Nope still not feeling safe frown
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#289794 - 08/15/08 10:05 AM Re: Not picking on the U.K., but... [Re: Hope_WA]
Kristina Roivas Offline
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Registered: 09/05/07
Loc: Vancouver Canada
Yes There is still some danger for Transsexuals even in 2008.

This incident is the worst case catch 22 when you are still Pre-op. The U.K is more conservative then America.

The Law courts are of no real help.
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#289796 - 08/15/08 10:13 AM Re: Not picking on the U.K., but... [Re: Hope_WA]
ŢÓRDÍS Offline
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Registered: 11/18/06
She's lucky she only got murdered.

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#289819 - 08/15/08 12:08 PM Re: Not picking on the U.K., but... [Re: Hope_WA]
Joan Offline
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Registered: 09/20/03
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...It appears that killing one of us is no big deal anywhere in the world. I guess I'll start wearing one of these:...


That is exactly why, some transwomen become proficient with firearms, get concealed weapons licenses, and carry a handgun.

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#289824 - 08/15/08 12:21 PM Re: Not picking on the U.K., but... [Re: Joan]
ŢÓRDÍS Offline
Ultimate Goddess

Registered: 11/18/06
Originally Posted By: Joan


That is exactly why, some transwomen become proficient with firearms, get concealed weapons licenses, and carry a handgun.


That just increases your likelyhood of getting killed.

But wait....when do we ever hear of a boomer Ts getting murdered? Well, we know why that is.

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#289863 - 08/15/08 03:38 PM Re: Not picking on the U.K., but... [Re: ŢÓRDÍS]
Marcella Offline
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Registered: 03/31/03
Loc: Barn
Maybe it's just a matter of time until we also become like them and start carrying arms. In a world full of violent people ready to kill you if they think they can get away with it, it makes sense.
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#289876 - 08/15/08 04:40 PM Re: Not picking on the U.K., but... [Re: Marcella]
Natalie Offline
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Registered: 01/14/04
Loc: England
well thats croydon for ya innit ? thornton heath is in the north croydon area and is a depraived area and hosts the large illegal immigrant hostels in the uk tensions are rife there and at least a murder a day is nothing new it has racial tensions as well as everything there

and thats no excuse for this knob to kill that poor girl is it ...

but in there law its par for the course and killing someone for being different is the norm

i mean if u aint into rnb and dress different like say a goth u get picked on over there ive seen it first hand so what chance did this poor ts have ?

Absolutely appaling this is

But i must say letting everyone have a gun aint the way forward over here believe me it would make things worse

we aklready have a knife crime wave goin on people gettin stabbed to death for looking at someone or dancin with someones girlfriend ...or to win respect

Generation of tossers over here my generation would have squashed these people in a blink of an eye

Maybe im gettin old eh lol
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#289885 - 08/15/08 05:15 PM Re: Not picking on the U.K., but... [Re: Natalie]
Davinia Offline
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Registered: 12/22/07
Loc: Yorkshire, England
Despicable and horrendous as this murder was and even more-so the verdict in court, we are not alone in the UK in having a system which is actively weighed against the most disadvantaged or different in society. I've not spent anytime researching TS murders in the USA but based on my knowledge of America's love of arms there are bound to have been several murder cases in the past few years! (My apologies in the highly unlikely event I am wrong!!)

I totally agree with Natalie, introducing guns IS NOT the way forward! A country where many of my friend live has the highest amount of arms in circulation, it is also the country where you have by far the highest chance of getting killed by a gun!!
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#289915 - 08/15/08 10:15 PM Re: Not picking on the U.K., but... [Re: ŢÓRDÍS]
Joan Offline
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Registered: 09/20/03
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That just increases your likelyhood of getting killed.


That would depend upon how well you train, that is why I said "become proficient". That not only means basic marksmanship, but also learning threat recognition and management.

It does help to have law enforcement friends, especially police firearms instructors. However, there may be an innate aptitude, that makes it easier to learn threat recognition and management.

The most important skill is being able to avoid places, where the danger level increases to unacceptable levels. That may mean avoiding some modes of mass transit and mass transit stations. In many cities, mass transit lines, such as light rail, may be a point of congregation for criminals (like drug dealers, etc.). In that case, it is prudent to avoid those locations.

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#289942 - 08/16/08 05:37 AM Re: Not picking on the U.K., but... [Re: Joan]
kat Offline
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Registered: 10/09/03
Loc: hou tx
I think such things can still happen in the US too and far worse nightmares can occur in other parts of the world. It's so very sad that our lives have less value.

kat
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