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#291855 - 08/27/08 05:46 AM Re: Interesting New Trans-Statistics [Re: Charlene_Leona]
Natalie Offline
Supreme Oracle

Registered: 01/14/04
Loc: England
Originally Posted By: PhotoGurl
As a former member of the military who was discharged for a Personality Disorder, I can totally relate to the needs of all veterans who need these services from the VA. I have been denied services from the VA for GID as well as the medical community. As a matter of fact I just got bared from my medical clinic in a public housing building because of my Gender Issues. Guess fracking what I'M DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT, I'm not afraid of being out as a transwoman. I'm proud of who and what I am, if your not go hide in stealth and to hell with you. We have a responsibility to make the world a better place for the next generation. I have even volunteered my time at our new GLBT Community Center that has opened in my neighborhood. If your not going to help GET LOST, but if you want a better life for those of us who need it get up to bat and let's do something about it. Shooting down groups that take an effort to research us will do us no good we should be putting out all effort to make this research pay off. So what if someone gets ahead doing so, THAT'S WHAT AMERICA IS ALL ABOUT!!!!


wow big words guess what Im so fuckin offended by how you reacted and how you have abused me here for being me and making my choice some of us live in stealth GUESS WHAT thats what i want

GUESS WHAT ? i dont care about activism

Guess WHAT ? i couldnt give a damn about what being an american as im English ...but i have an idea

Guess what ? you are pre op im post i live as a woman i transitioned to fit in as a woman not be known as a trasssexual

Live your life how you see fit But dont Fuckin abuse mine as ive talked the talk and walked the walk and made many sacrifices along the way in order to be me

You aint even began yet so dont you go shouting from the rooftops at me as you aint got a clue what its like yet ...and dont you dare say you do

If you wanna be an active transsexual fine but thats not my bag so dont criticize me or abuse me for not doing so you have a lot to learn



Edited by Natalie (08/27/08 05:49 AM)
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#291874 - 08/27/08 09:59 AM Re: Interesting New Trans-Statistics [Re: Charlene_Leona]
Hope_WA Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 08/14/07
Loc: Eastern Washington state, U.S....
Originally Posted By: Natalie
Originally Posted By: PhotoGurl
...Guess fracking what I'M DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT, I'm not afraid of being out as a transwoman. I'm proud of who and what I am, if your not go hide in stealth and to hell with you. We have a responsibility to make the world a better place for the next generation. I have even volunteered my time at our new GLBT Community Center that has opened in my neighborhood. If your not going to help GET LOST, but if you want a better life for those of us who need it get up to bat and let's do something about it. Shooting down groups that take an effort to research us will do us no good we should be putting out all effort to make this research pay off...
wow big words guess what Im so fuckin offended by how you reacted and how you have abused me here for being me and making my choice some of us live in stealth

GUESS WHAT thats what i want
GUESS WHAT ? i dont care about activism
Guess WHAT ? i couldnt give a damn about what being an american as im English ...but i have an idea
Guess what ? you are pre op im post i live as a woman i transitioned to fit in as a woman not be known as a trasssexual

Live your life how you see fit But dont Fuckin abuse mine as ive talked the talk and walked the walk and made many sacrifices along the way in order to be me

You aint even began yet so dont you go shouting from the rooftops at me as you aint got a clue what its like yet ...and dont you dare say you do

If you wanna be an active transsexual fine but thats not my bag so dont criticize me or abuse me for not doing so you have a lot to learn

PhotoGurl,

I admire your activism. I think the fight for trans-rights is important. I wish more people would get involved. Let me ask you one question. What do you stand to lose by being an activist? Will you lose your job, your family, your home, or anything most people hold dear?

It’s no secret that right now, I’m fighting to keep those things intact. I don’t know if I can keep even part of my family, and it seems I’ve already lost a big chunk of it. When I get a more stable job, one in Washington that will be protected by anti-discrimination law, I will become more active and vocal.

People have said here that everyone has a price, and some have said they can never be bought. I faced that choice yesterday. Someone in my office saw something small on my desk and said, “I see you are a Christian.” I am, and we talked about church for a bit. Then she said, “The reason I brought it up is I was thinking about something I read today. I won’t ever by my cards from Hallmark anymore, because they just came out with a line of cards for (She used airquotes here) ‘gay marriage’. I can’t believe they would support that kind of sin.”

I support gay marriage. I don’t think two people who are committed to a monogamous relationship and want to formalize by marrying are committing a sin. I don’t condemn people for how they are born, and fight against that type of bigotry all the time. My dilemma yesterday was to speak my mind, like I usually do, and tell this woman I can’t work with someone who has that type of attitude, or to keep my mouth shut for the money, a single transaction that would pay me a little more than what I generally make in two months of work.

I don’t judge people who live in stealth. There is one reason I don’t. They are in a place I haven’t gotten to yet. Their perspective is different than mine. If I’m fortunate enough to be accepted as simply a woman, not a woman with a past she wants to avoid, or a woman that everyone knows “used to be a man” I don’t know if I’ll be able to choose activism over just simply living my life. And that is if activism leaves me with nothing at risk. If you have nothing, or if you have security, activism doesn’t have much of a personal cost. If you have your livelihood, or your life, on the line, stealth might be the only option.

For those women who are post-op and could blend in and live stealth if they choose but put everything on the line to fight for our rights, I have the deepest respect. For those who have security, but still out themselves to fight for us, I give my thanks. Do I wish people like Natalie, who seems to have that type of security, would do more? Certainly, but I have absolutely no right to judge her decision, until I’ve had to face the same decision myself. I said at the beginning of my post I admire your activism, but I’m appalled by how judgmental your post was. Until you’ve faced the same choice, you haven’t earned the right to call someone out like that.

Hope


Edited by Hope_WA (08/27/08 12:52 PM)
Edit Reason: typo
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His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"
Jesus answered, "Neither he nor his parents sinned; it is so that the works of God might be made visible through him. "
John 9:2-3

Mahatma Ghandi, though a devout Hindu, was widely known to admire Jesus; Ghandi often quoted from the Sermon on the Mount, in fact. Once when the missionary E. Stanley Jones met with Ghandi he asked him, "Mr. Ghandi, though you quote the words of Christ often, why is that you appear to so adamantly reject becoming his follower?"
Ghandi replied, "Oh, I don't reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ."

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#291879 - 08/27/08 10:44 AM Re: Interesting New Trans-Statistics [Re: Natalie]
Charlene_Leona Offline
Frequent Flyer

Registered: 02/22/07
Loc: St. Louis Mo. 63108
Natalie I'm sorry but the post I made was a generalized one for all that had made negative post about this survey.

I know some people like you don't care about activism but from an early age I have been compelled by an inner drive to help people. It really gets me when people complain about issues yet do nothing to resolve those issues. It's like voting If you don't vote, don't complain because you have given up your right to.

I know you are English I thought I was making a comment to other American's I sometimes forget about the global reach of the net.

I know all of us have made sacrifices I have alienated a major part of my family by my transition but I no longer care what anyone thinks about what I do with my body. It's all about taking care of myself to make me a happy person and not others.

As for not even beginning I have certainly begun, I have been living full time in the world for almost two years now. As well as having my nuts cut off so please don't say I haven't begun. I have already gone past the point of no return and for me their is no other option but to continue. I am waiting now for my doctors to finish writing my surgical letters so I can fully become a woman. The only thing holding me back is getting my insurance to cover my surgery and the one year wait for the surgeon to perform my SRS.

A couple of my reasons for being an active Transsexual is that I am trying to help others as well as myself for one. Another is as a professional artist and photographer I can't separate my two lives M/F because I have a vast number of prints out in the world with my old name on it as well as over 120,000 photographs with my old info encoded into the digital exif portions of the work. So I decided why not just let people know. It doesn't bother me what people think about my transition. But for those who want to live their lives quietly please do, the option isn't there for me.

Please take my full apology I did not mean to piss you off. I was just trying to make a point that if your not involved in the process, don't complain about what others are doing to help out.
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#291889 - 08/27/08 12:52 PM Re: Interesting New Trans-Statistics [Re: Hope_WA]
Charlene_Leona Offline
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Registered: 02/22/07
Loc: St. Louis Mo. 63108
Actually Hope I have nothing to lose but my life because of my activism, my fiancee who is also an activist won't leave me because of it. I also have nothing else to lose I have no home, no job but for my own work as an artist & photographer. I've already given up on my family although my mom is finally coming around to my my new life.

I have been discriminated against throughout my life first by a Black teacher who beat me and other students because we were white in the 2nd grade, picked on and bullied because of my red hair and Irish decent in school and walked on and thrown out of a place to stay by a Chinese boss because of being white as well. I've had the Military, VA, Doctor's , Nurse's and potential employers refuse me because of my gender issue's. I've been discriminated on because of my disability as well, that's why I'm so vehement about this. I live in America and I'm fucking fed up with it all. Now I'm having to postpone my SRS because of my heart condition, so the only real thing I have to lose now is my life.

I feel that we were placed hear in this life to make it a better place for all people and when those people complain and bitch yet do nothing to fix those problems, that's when I start to develop an attitude.

I don't truly disdain those who can live in stealth and yes if I could I would also but my life has dealt me a set of cards that makes it virtually impossible to do so. So instead of giving up and or bitching about it I'm doing something to make the world a better place for all human's not just Transsexuals. We don't have a right to judge and I'm truly sorry that I did. I was just trying to get those people to think about what there lack of action does to the rest of us and our cause, Nothing!!!!
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#291892 - 08/27/08 01:56 PM Re: Interesting New Trans-Statistics [Re: Marcella]
Gina9223 Offline
Regular

Registered: 11/29/05
Loc: someplace or other
As for who took the survey, I took the survey!

There was a pre-requisite that you must have served in the US military. That’s all, you didn’t even need to be a member of TAVA to do it but to find out about it did help a bit.

It’s only a tool that TAVA uses when it goes in front of Congress where it tries to get the VA and the DOD to treat Trans-people as equals when it comes to treatment at the VA. It also is trying to gain acceptance within the DOD of Trans-people within the DOD. They have managed to get the various HR policies within the DOD to be updated to be gender inclusive. They are trying to get the DOD to accept/allow active duty members who are Transgendered to transition or at least get some form of treatment while in an active duty status.

And yes, I am a member of TAVA!

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#291957 - 08/27/08 08:42 PM Re: Interesting New Trans-Statistics [Re: Gina9223]
Deena Offline
Supreme Oracle

Registered: 05/11/06
Originally Posted By: Gina9223
They are trying to get the DOD to accept/allow active duty members who are Transgendered to transition or at least get some form of treatment while in an active duty status.

And yes, I am a member of TAVA!

I applaud their efforts but I still want to do away with our entire military aggression against other countries. That will not happen while people are fighting to change it into a friendlier non-discriminatory service. So there is the dilemma. I personally think we ought to be fighting to re-institute the draft, radically reduce pay and eliminate all benefit packages. Then the government would have to face the wrath of angry middle and upper class citizens when their dear sons and daughters were conscripted to invade foreign countries on fabricated evidence. shrug
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#291981 - 08/28/08 06:46 AM Re: Interesting New Trans-Statistics [Re: Charlene_Leona]
Natalie Offline
Supreme Oracle

Registered: 01/14/04
Loc: England
Originally Posted By: PhotoGurl
Natalie I'm sorry but the post I made was a generalized one for all that had made negative post about this survey.

I know some people like you don't care about activism but from an early age I have been compelled by an inner drive to help people. It really gets me when people complain about issues yet do nothing to resolve those issues. It's like voting If you don't vote, don't complain because you have given up your right to.

I know you are English I thought I was making a comment to other American's I sometimes forget about the global reach of the net.

I know all of us have made sacrifices I have alienated a major part of my family by my transition but I no longer care what anyone thinks about what I do with my body. It's all about taking care of myself to make me a happy person and not others.

As for not even beginning I have certainly begun, I have been living full time in the world for almost two years now. As well as having my nuts cut off so please don't say I haven't begun. I have already gone past the point of no return and for me their is no other option but to continue. I am waiting now for my doctors to finish writing my surgical letters so I can fully become a woman. The only thing holding me back is getting my insurance to cover my surgery and the one year wait for the surgeon to perform my SRS.

A couple of my reasons for being an active Transsexual is that I am trying to help others as well as myself for one. Another is as a professional artist and photographer I can't separate my two lives M/F because I have a vast number of prints out in the world with my old name on it as well as over 120,000 photographs with my old info encoded into the digital exif portions of the work. So I decided why not just let people know. It doesn't bother me what people think about my transition. But for those who want to live their lives quietly please do, the option isn't there for me.

Please take my full apology I did not mean to piss you off. I was just trying to make a point that if your not involved in the process, don't complain about what others are doing to help out.


yeah well apology accepted even though its a two toned apology wink



when your campaigning blows up in your face dont come Complaining to me as i didnt and never will ask for help off others ..live by the sword die by the sword you reap what you sow in life
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#292025 - 08/28/08 02:18 PM Re: Interesting New Trans-Statistics [Re: Natalie]
Ylva Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 10/14/05
Well, activism is a good thing. Thinking about Nats and UK...I'm not sure what she could be an activist against really, even if she wanted to be an activist. The whole legal side of things is already in place - 100%..nope can't think of a single thing. There was the BC issue, but thats sorted now...nope, nothing, full protection in every legal area.

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#292028 - 08/28/08 02:46 PM Re: Interesting New Trans-Statistics [Re: Ylva]
Kristina Roivas Offline
Veteran

Registered: 09/05/07
Loc: Vancouver Canada
On A "side note" I wonder it was possible to compile the Results from EVERY survey ever done on Transsexuals, Military,Civilian,from Every source available from every country. Since the Advent of the first one.

Now I'm sure that We already know the "outcome" of this complied information.

In the end these damn survey must be taken with a grain of salt, Sometimes... And then again?
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#292237 - 08/30/08 04:46 AM Re: Interesting New Trans-Statistics [Re: Kristina Roivas]
Charlene_Leona Offline
Frequent Flyer

Registered: 02/22/07
Loc: St. Louis Mo. 63108
The only problem with doing that Kristina is redundant info, to do this right we would have to do a single world wide poll. Then you might get some idea of what were looking at. The only problem then would be fakers trying to skew the poll as well as people who do not have access to the tech to take the poll. Of course you could factor in a percentage rate that would allow for that. But then it wouldn't give us the true info we need to gain.


Edited by PhotoGurl (08/30/08 04:50 AM)
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