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#291464 - 08/24/08 02:38 PM Re: Interesting New Trans-Statistics [Re: Marcella]
Deena Offline
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Registered: 05/11/06
Surveys are typically not very valid when you examine the structure, population sampled and frequency distributions of contact methodologies. This one is no exception. And yes we are in reality nothing but bugs in someone's project. Bugs get gassed and tossed out when the primary objective has been attained.
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#291472 - 08/24/08 02:50 PM Re: Interesting New Trans-Statistics [Re: Jillian_E]
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Registered: 01/03/06
Loc: Oregon
I take your point well Jill.

What have I done for TS folks?

Nothing. I am grateful to all those that make an effort to do so. It is the easiest thing to pick stuff apart and naysay.
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#291479 - 08/24/08 03:04 PM Re: Interesting New Trans-Statistics [Re: Jillian_E]
Deena Offline
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Registered: 05/11/06
This is a veterans organization. I stupidly served this country in one of its wars. These days I am an avowed pacifist. I advocate not letting any Ts serve in the military. In fact I advocate not letting any U.S. personnel serve on foreign soil. The constitution only provides the authority for maintaining a defensive force not a world police operation. So I guess I am prejudiced against this group for reasons entirely unrelated to their study. I would prefer they had sat on their arse as you put it. Just my personal opinion. I am sure they are well intended. dontoveruseme
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#291481 - 08/24/08 03:09 PM Re: Interesting New Trans-Statistics [Re: jenny_w]
Deena Offline
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Registered: 05/11/06
Originally Posted By: jenny_w

What have I done for TS folks?

Nothing.

There is always time to start. Good luck.

Originally Posted By: jenny_w

It is the easiest thing to pick stuff apart and naysay.

Yes. We should all get away from seeing things only in black and white terms. Acceptance of others is paramount to societal acceptance in my humble opinion. doublepopcorn
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#291487 - 08/24/08 03:42 PM Re: Interesting New Trans-Statistics [Re: Deena]
Natalie Offline
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Registered: 01/14/04
Loc: England
i aint done nothin either and nor am i interested in doing so
as statistics state most trans do campaign
But i go against the grain as i didnt transition to be an outed transsexual i did it to become me a woman inside and out and blend in
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#291495 - 08/24/08 04:16 PM Re: Interesting New Trans-Statistics [Re: Natalie]
Deena Offline
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Registered: 05/11/06
Originally Posted By: Natalie
i aint done nothin either and nor am i interested in doing so
as statistics state most trans do campaign
But i go against the grain as i didnt transition to be an outed transsexual i did it to become me a woman inside and out and blend in

What statistics are you citing?
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#291597 - 08/25/08 03:21 PM Re: Interesting New Trans-Statistics [Re: Deena]
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Registered: 09/06/04
Loc: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
I have to agree with Natalie on this one...I do not identify as a transwoman at all, just a woman...as evidenced by how I went by during this weeks Ottawa Capital Pride...I was a lesbian through and through during this event...I showed my support but was there as a lesbian...I did all my transition in stealth (yes there were difficult times) and now that I have finished, it has paid dividends for me - got a great job, lots of guys asking me out and even some women...hehehe...but I am just a woman, not an outed transexual...

So sorry everyone...Transition was hard enough and now I am reaping the rewards and enjoying life as I was meant to be.
Yes it is good to be accepted but isn't the goal to be a woman in society and not just someone who is out etc...the ends are justified by the means in my opinion.

I am a girl who has done her time.
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#291615 - 08/25/08 04:48 PM Re: Interesting New Trans-Statistics [Re: KatClassy]
ŢÓRDÍS Offline
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Registered: 11/18/06
Originally Posted By: KatClassy
one...I do not identify as a transwoman at all, just a woman...as evidenced by how I went by during this weeks Ottawa Capital Pride...I was a lesbian through and through during this event...I showed my support but was there as a lesbian...I did all my transition in stealth (yes there were difficult times) and now that I have finished, it has paid dividends for me - got a great job, lots of guys asking me out and even some women...hehehe...but I am just a woman, not an outed transexual...




You were a lesbian thru and thru during the whole event? Hmm, what are you the rest of the time? heh.

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#291617 - 08/25/08 05:02 PM Re: Interesting New Trans-Statistics [Re: ŢÓRDÍS]
Deena Offline
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Registered: 05/11/06
Originally Posted By: Dagny
Originally Posted By: KatClassy
one...I do not identify as a transwoman at all, just a woman...as evidenced by how I went by during this weeks Ottawa Capital Pride...I was a lesbian through and through during this event...I showed my support but was there as a lesbian...I did all my transition in stealth (yes there were difficult times) and now that I have finished, it has paid dividends for me - got a great job, lots of guys asking me out and even some women...hehehe...but I am just a woman, not an outed transexual...




Well, that doesn't make a lick of sense, I am sorry.

Your just a woman? What then were you doing at a pride event..giving everyone clues?

You were a lesbian thru and thru during the whole event? Hmm, what are you the rest of the time?

Guys..girls...hehehe? You sound like a giddy schoolgirl on her first time out.

You're here on a TS forum too! Flip, last time I checked, women don't usually hang around TS forums.

Otherwise..all good.

Aww Dags now don't get things all twisted around. I enjoyed the perspective. My rule is acceptance so I have to believe she feels like a woman. Nuff said.

On the other hand I am finding one concept difficult to grasp that I hope can be explained a little better.
How do you go to an event as a lesbian? My sides are hurting trying to picture how that is carried off. smile
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#291619 - 08/25/08 05:09 PM Re: Interesting New Trans-Statistics [Re: breezy]
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Registered: 05/16/07
Loc: Oregon,
Originally Posted By: breezy
Who are these people they are surveying? The "statistics" have to be completely inaccurate non-sense. Otherwise, how have we afforded our vaginoplasties, facial surgeries and the like.

My conclusion is that I don't trust such "statistics" and I don't trust such "researchers", with their "studies" and hidden "agendas". It is rarely clear what they are trying to achieve. What is almost always quite clear, is that the medical establishment has done little or nothing to change the fundamentals for the past forty years. For example, early on, decades ago, people got vaginoplasty surgeries paid for by insurance, until people "noticed" and began writing contractual exclusions into health insurance policies. The medical establishment did NOTHING to protest or go to bat for our population. That is just one of many fundamental examples of how the medical establishment and the legal establishment have both failed our population. Our population has survived in spite of them.

Their "statistics" are bunk in large part I think because their "stats" don't actually measure us. They certainly haven't never measured or assessed me. I have always been employed and prosperous. I believe that our population is largely populated by prosperous people are completely invisible to those idiotic "surveys".



All of the people surveyed are military veterans, and active duty personnel. I am one who took this survey. The stats only concern, veterans contacts with the VA medical system.

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