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#327063 - 01/15/10 04:59 PM Re: Tell CBS D.Letterman was wrong to ridicule TS [Re: Bye]
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I think that Deena is trying to say that you may be lacking in the diplomacy department.YMMV
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#327064 - 01/15/10 05:01 PM Re: Tell CBS D.Letterman was wrong to ridicule TS [Re: Bye]
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Registered: 05/11/06
Originally Posted By: Vexing
Originally Posted By: Deena
Are you saying that you don't understand how to handle incidents gracefully or that you object to the term belligerently? I took your attempt to "put down" Diana as inexperienced and assert therefore her incapability of reaching a valid conclusion as a form of belligerence but maybe you could clarify that. Did you mean it somehow in a complimentary way?


Right, so you saw my comment to Diana as 'belligerent'.
It is not 'belligerent' - it's the truth.
She hasn't transitioned, so she has no post-transition experience. Pretty simple.
If I hadn't transitioned and started spouting off about what is good for transitioned women, I'd fully expect to get slapped down with a "STFU."
And I imagine you'd be the one saying it too. wink

So when you have lost your testicles and had surgery to create a Vagina or Pseudo Vagina then your own insights will be equal to mine? Or are you saying that you are "finished" now? Seems to me that Diana has plenty of experience in media and presented a well thought out statement that was agreed with by Marcella and me. I think you might be confusing topics here but that is OK.

If you want to start a new thread to discuss various real life experiences and how we have all handled incidents I would be glad to swap some of my experiences with you and read of how you have successfully handled your own experiences. I prefer not to do so in this public thread.
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#327065 - 01/15/10 05:08 PM Re: Tell CBS D.Letterman was wrong to ridicule TS [Re: Deena]
Bye Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 04/01/08
Loc: NZ
Originally Posted By: Deena

So when you have lost your testicles and had surgery to create a Vagina or Pseudo Vagina then your own insights will be equal to mine?

If this was a discussion on surgery, I would bow to your superior knowledge (i.e. I would not comment on a topic about post surgical infection, since I haven't had surgery yet).
This topic, however, is not about surgery.

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#327066 - 01/15/10 05:09 PM Re: Tell CBS D.Letterman was wrong to ridicule TS [Re: Vanna1]
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Pooh-Bah

Registered: 04/01/08
Loc: NZ
Originally Posted By: Vanna1
I think that Deena is trying to say that you may be lacking in the diplomacy department.YMMV


Which is an exercise in stating the obvious.
(Something Deena is adept at)

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#327067 - 01/15/10 05:13 PM Re: Tell CBS D.Letterman was wrong to ridicule TS [Re: Deena]
EmmaMarie Offline
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Registered: 08/03/05
Loc: gone
Living as a woman does change one's perspective somewhat - Surgery is largely socially irrelevant - I haven't had surgery, yet most people Who know me IRL assume I have, what's the social difference? Having a twat does not equal living as a woman - we of all people should know that. The magical vagina does not confer womanhood.

Telling someone to lighten up is often used as a deflecting technique - it takes the blame off you and makes out that there's something wrong with the complainant. It's a deflecting technique that comes instinctively to those speaking from a position of privilege.

FWIW, I don't take advice on how I should act and perceive myself from people who have no reference point. No disrespect to the OP - it's just the way it is.


Edited by EmmaMarie (01/15/10 05:15 PM)
Edit Reason: in itallics

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#327069 - 01/15/10 05:15 PM Re: Tell CBS D.Letterman was wrong to ridicule TS [Re: Marcella]
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Registered: 05/11/06
Originally Posted By: Marcella
There is a huge difference between a skit poking fun at the people who think all Arabs are Muslim Fundamentalists, and someone shouting "raghead" to anyone who looks Middle Eastern in the street.

The Letterman skit was mocking more the horrified reaction of the announcer, IMO, than Amanda herself.

It was not good for us, yes, and some anger is justified, but telling the TV shows not to use us as a subject for their skits and jokes?

Sorry but that's stupid. Who the heck do we think we are to think we're above humour? Muslim fundies?

Well put.
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#327071 - 01/15/10 05:45 PM Re: Tell CBS D.Letterman was wrong to ridicule TS [Re: Marcella]
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Pooh-Bah

Registered: 04/01/08
Loc: NZ
Originally Posted By: Marcella

It was not good for us, yes, and some anger is justified, but telling the TV shows not to use us as a subject for their skits and jokes?


Sure, if they are making jokes about us as women.

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#327076 - 01/15/10 09:03 PM Re: Tell CBS D.Letterman was wrong to ridicule TS [Re: Bye]
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Registered: 03/31/03
Loc: Pasture
They will, eventually.

Take this as a chance for them to learn.
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#327078 - 01/15/10 09:25 PM Re: Tell CBS D.Letterman was wrong to ridicule TS [Re: Marcella]
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Pooh-Bah

Registered: 04/01/08
Loc: NZ
I'm glad of one thing: Amanda's appointment shows that trans women are finally getting some employment equality in America.

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#327082 - 01/15/10 10:19 PM Re: Tell CBS D.Letterman was wrong to ridicule TS [Re: Bye]
Marcella Offline
Misanthropic Cow

Registered: 03/31/03
Loc: Pasture
And it can only get better. laugh

{{{I hope.}}}
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This a spiritual thing and I am the laughing Buddha sitting on top of the world. Donnalee.

"Populace above, populace below! What are 'poor' and 'rich' at present! That distinction did I unlearn,—then did I flee away further and ever further, until I came to those kine." --Thus Spake Zarathustra / Friedrich Nietzsche.

http://my.funtrivia.com/tournament/Callies-quiz-75578.html

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