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#331930 - 03/13/10 04:57 PM Re: Susan Stanton documentary on CNN [Re: mixie]
mixie Offline
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What might make an interesting documentary, would be an extended portrayal of someone analogous to Lynn Conway, who "transitioned" young, lived a long life in "stealth" but because she is "out" now for whatever reason , might show a wider audience what an assimilated and successful life like hers looks like from a more distant perspective, in retrospect.

Even a similar sort of documentary might be interesting, about someone in their thirties today, who got everything done ten or more years ago, who has been living an assimilated and together live since then, possibly in "stealth"(until the documentary of course), where the video might show a wider audience what someone's life is like long after the HRT has done its thing, the surgeries have long since been done, and the initial social upheaval has long been over.

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#331932 - 03/13/10 05:03 PM Re: Susan Stanton documentary on CNN [Re: BrendaK]
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Originally Posted By: BrendaK
You're right she did. That's brought out in the documentary.
Does Stanton apologize in the documentary for making those hugely public statements against ENDA?

Does the documentary explain that Stanton's statements against ENDA created a huge uproar among the trans-population?

Does Stanton explain why she didn't approach "transition" in a more privacy protecting way, instead of taking the big social demand action that caused the Largo city government to fire her?

Imagine if Stanton had been the sort of person who saves their money for transition, then quietly resigns their job, then spends their savings to get their surgery, and quietly looks for a new job with the new paper and physical identity afterward. IMO, that approach shows a lot more sensitivity to one's social milieu. Regardless of the law, on the job "transition" in place, implies narcissistic entitlement, IMO, about something that is extremely socially complex and regardless of "rights", places a lot of emotional stress on everybody else involved, even if they are supportive.

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#331933 - 03/13/10 05:06 PM Re: Susan Stanton documentary on CNN [Re: mixie]
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That would make a nice segue. Good suggestion.

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#331935 - 03/13/10 05:30 PM Re: Susan Stanton documentary on CNN [Re: BrendaK]
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We all break someone's heart. Whether a parent, a spouse, a child's. It's the price of living, no?

The only difference is that we seldom notice what we break, but always notice what other people break.

What can be done to minimize suffering?

I don't know. You can never know. Suffering can just go hidden, sometimes. Perhaps it's impossible to have any sort of relationship without any suffering.

Ah well.
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#331937 - 03/13/10 05:44 PM Re: Susan Stanton documentary on CNN [Re: Marcella]
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As I recall Stanton chose not to sue the city that dismissed him (him at at time, her later). As such I regard Stanton as part of the problem rather than part of the solution. The problem being that the poorest transsexual people do not have robust employment rights and can't afford to enforce what they do have.


As such the best thing Stanton could do for the community would be to go away and be forgotten.
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#331938 - 03/13/10 05:51 PM Re: Susan Stanton documentary on CNN [Re: hollyb]
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Stanton is an idiot. Star Wars is on anyways.
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#331939 - 03/13/10 05:58 PM Re: Susan Stanton documentary on CNN [Re: hollyb]
mixie Offline
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Originally Posted By: hollyb
As I recall Stanton chose not to sue the city that dismissed him (him at at time, her later). As such I regard Stanton as part of the problem rather than part of the solution. The problem being that the poorest transsexual people do not have robust employment rights and can't afford to enforce what they do have.


As such the best thing Stanton could do for the community would be to go away and be forgotten.
The only thing the lawsuit would have been good for would have been to force the city government to spend money (its own form of punishment), which can be a good thing. However, at the time, it seems likely that such a lawsuit would have failed, even though some have succeeded since then in other more favorable jurisdictions, and historically, almost all have failed throughout the United States. Florida is notoriously bad with regard to state level trans-rights as well, and such a lawsuit might have only created a negative precedent, with the possibility of damaging future lawsuits, brought during some future time when the legal and political climate might be more receptive.

Stanton is apparently a city manager again, in another nearby suburb called Lake Worth, FL, anyway.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/lake-worth-expected-to-settle-water-dispute-with-278850.html

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#331940 - 03/13/10 05:59 PM Re: Susan Stanton documentary on CNN [Re: cindyh]
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Originally Posted By: cindyh
Stanton is an idiot. Star Wars is on anyways.
Is that a new episode of the 'Star Wars the Clone Wars' animated series, isn't that on hiatus at the moment?

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#331951 - 03/14/10 07:58 AM Re: Susan Stanton documentary on CNN [Re: mixie]
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Registered: 07/12/03
Loc: Atlanta, GA
Originally Posted By: mixie

Does Stanton apologize in the documentary for making those hugely public statements against ENDA?

No, she doesn't. Now that she has some distance, in time, I wonder if she's grown up enough to do that?

Originally Posted By: mixie

Does the documentary explain that Stanton's statements against ENDA created a huge uproar among the trans-population?

Yes, it does.

Originally Posted By: mixie

Does Stanton explain why she didn't approach "transition" in a more privacy protecting way, instead of taking the big social demand action that caused the Largo city government to fire her?

Yes, she does.

Originally Posted By: mixie

Imagine if Stanton had been the sort of person who saves their money for transition, then quietly resigns their job, then spends their savings to get their surgery, and quietly looks for a new job with the new paper and physical identity afterward. IMO, that approach shows a lot more sensitivity to one's social milieu. Regardless of the law, on the job "transition" in place, implies narcissistic entitlement, IMO, about something that is extremely socially complex and regardless of "rights", places a lot of emotional stress on everybody else involved, even if they are supportive.

We're supposed to save up money and tuck our proverbial tail between our legs, leave everything and everyone, hide (sometimes called 'stealth') and fear for the rest of our lives that someone will discover our 'dirty secret'? If someone wants, hide. If someone wants, don't let the bigots know that you exist. If someone wants, live in fear. Not for me!

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#331954 - 03/14/10 10:16 AM Re: Susan Stanton documentary on CNN [Re: BrendaK]
kaitlyn Offline
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Registered: 06/03/08
Loc: Vancouver Canada
I'm not sure about eveything in life, but some of you who possess this "holier than thou" attitude about people like Susan Stanton really need to pull your head out of the sand.

When the media, for whatever reason, deems a story like hers to be worthy of attention it brings us as a group into the lives of those who may never have considered us. Education of the public is paramount to build the kind of understanding that society needs to have if we as a group are to have any success in being assimilated into society.

Oh, wait, if that happened, what would you have to bitch about?

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