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#4407 - 02/18/06 07:41 AM Re: Who was the first TS woman that you were aware *****
Jillian_E Offline

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Registered: 10/05/04
Loc: Arizona
Christine Jorgensen and Wendy Carlos a close second. 
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#4408 - 02/18/06 08:02 AM Re: Who was the first TS woman that you were aware of?
Jillian_E Offline

Just a Girl

Registered: 10/05/04
Loc: Arizona

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I first heard about Christine Jorgensen when I was about 5 years' old and was immediately intrigued at the possibilities.

Sorry, this is a bit off topic but it's pretty cool:

Christine Jorgensen's classic 55 minute interview originally featured on the record album "Christine JorgensenReveals" (1958), is a historic recording. Ms. Jorgensen is most articulate in this early interview. She answers many inane questions with poise and a political correctness well in advance of the times. The interviewer, "Mr. N. Russell," is comedian Nipsy Russell who died of cancer October 4th, 2005 at the age of 80.

 http://www.karenserenity.com/ChristineJorgensen.htm

Here's the link to the mp3 file if you want to save it.

 http://www.queermusicheritage.com/AUG2000/CRISTINE/REVEALS.MP3

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#4409 - 02/18/06 12:31 PM Re: Who was the first TS woman that you were aware
drbecky Offline

Balloon Lady

Registered: 07/14/04
Loc: the desert

Hmm, a revived old thread and nobody has mentioned the person I will name.

It was the early 60's and I was living the isolated life in Mississippi.  I was in the ninth grade and had stopped after school at what was then the combination drugstore/soda fountain/magazine stand.  Two of the twelfth grade boys were sitting at a booth and I heard them laughing.  One said, "that can't be a man."

I glanced at the front page of the magazine he was holding up - one of those True Confessions types - and when the big boys had gone, I pulled it out and, trembling, turned to the story of Coccinelle.   She was the first TS person I ever heard of, before Christine even, and the first time I ever knew anyone else felt this way. 

It didn't change my world immediately, but it did motivate me to learn more.  And more and more... 

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#4410 - 02/18/06 12:49 PM Re: Who was the first TS woman that you were aware
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Registered: 02/27/05
Loc: Cincinnati, OH
Ironically enough my first exposure to a transwoman was at a dinner near Bedford NY. A group of friends and I went to this dinner and the waitress was simply lovely, natural, female and I had no clue whatsoever until one of the people I was with started wispering to another of our party.

I asked what they were talking about and was told "The waitress is actually a guy!" The funniest part was I launched right into defending her without knowing she was right behind me. I feel this hand on my shoulder and I look up she's standing right there. She said I didn't need to defend her, she wasn't bothered by much of anything but appreciated what I was trying to do.

She then looked at the chuckleheads I was with and said; "Your frined is right, my life history isn't on the menu and my ability to take your orders has nothing to do whith gender, expect of course when dealing with guys of limited intelligence. So to make thigs easier on you I'll use small words and clear something up.

I was born a girl, have always been a girl, and couldn't imagine anything else. I have had some cosmetic surgery over the years but that doesn't make me a guy. I have had to have some minor birth defects corrected which are none of your business and I couldn't possibly be a guy, my mind and heart are not small enough to demean and belittle other people I don't understand and lack the courage to learn from. So boys, would you like some vanilla icecream to go with your pie?"

I counldn't help myself, I bust out laughing and looked at her and said; "Score another major point for the fairer sex! I usually don't deign to have a battle of whits with unarmed opponents, but you handled that with grace and aplomb."

As we were leaving she pulled me aside and said; "Would you be surprised to find out that they were 'technically' correct? My birth defect was that I was born looking more male than I do now, and had to go through many years of pain and suffering to get here. Before you ask, it was well worth it, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. So, do you think your friends and family are going to cope when you finally decide it's time?"

I feigned ignorance and said; "When I decide it's time?"

She like everyone I've come out to, saw right through my facade and predicted this day would come. She said I could do it, it would work, and while it wouldn't be easy it would be worht it. That seems like a lifetime ago, it really does . . . I wish I'd stayed in touch, if for no other reason than to be able to thank her now. . .
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#4411 - 02/18/06 12:53 PM Re: Who was the first TS woman that you were aware of?
Jillian Offline
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Registered: 07/30/05
Loc: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
I remember the very first TS womann that i heard of was Renee Richards. I asked my mom, what was a sex change? She replied "thats a man that has a surgery to become a lady". I can remember thinking to myself.................so it IS possible!!!!! I was about 10 years old.

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#4412 - 02/18/06 02:17 PM Re: Who was the first TS woman that you were aware
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I have always been facinated by the showgirls like Coccinelle who worked at the Carousel in Paris at the end of the fifties, early sixties, It was one of those times when a group of beautiful talented women ended up working at the same place, at the same time. I believe Coccinel was the first of that group of showgirls who had SRS with Dr Bourou, later on April Ashley, Amanda lear, Pandora and one other I can't think of the name on all followed suit. This was a period when It was cool to know a transsexual, all of these showgirls from that time all went on to have very interesting lives. Although Pandora I think married an Italien count and disappeared into stealth, I wonder what became of her?

My best friend used to know April Ashley in Hay on Wye, another really good friend knew Amanda Lear when she was known as Peki D'oslo and was working at a caberat in Barcalona. So I have often felt a sort of connection with these people at that time.

Otherwise the first TS I ever heard of was Tula when she was outed after apearing in that Bond film.

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#4413 - 02/18/06 03:35 PM Re: Who was the first TS woman that you were aware
Lsh Offline


Registered: 10/29/05

April Ashley was the first I heard of as well. Here's a link to an interview with her:

http://www.the-sisterhood.net/transworldnews/id48.html 

 The first transsexual I met in person was Sandy Stone back in the 80's. She was working at Sequential Circuits and got me a contracting job.

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#4414 - 02/19/06 06:32 AM Re: Who was the first TS woman that you were aware
Anonymous
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I could have sworn I answered this thread...

For me it was Christine Jorgensen. I don't remember the context of what brought that name to my attention, but it stuck in the mind of this eight year old like nothing before. It was one of the things that really started to cement in my mind that I was female inside...information to be kept and buried in those years, but, as Jillian above mentions, it brought it home that transition was possible.

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#4415 - 02/19/06 06:55 AM Re: Who was the first TS woman that you were aware
rubytaylor Offline
Retro Gal

Registered: 03/21/04
Renee Richards for me -- I was 13 when her story became public, and I read every article I could find about her. When I finally learned how she'd managed to transition, I was crushed -- because it led me to think you had to be rich and well-connected in order to accomplish it, neither of which I had any hope of being.

I'd become aware of transsexualism itself, though, several years before the Richards story broke. When I was eight years old, I found a book on "deviant sexual behavior" that my mother had hidden under the towels in the kitchen drawer, containing a brief description of transsexualism, and stating that some of those experiencing it underwent "sex transformation operations." This was the first indication I ever found that I wasn't unique in the way I felt, and that there was some hope of dealing with it.

Ruby Taylor
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#4416 - 02/19/06 06:57 AM Re: Who was the first TS woman that you were aware
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Ever wonder why your mom had a copy of that book in the first place, and why she was hiding it there?

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